Bill Moyers' interview with Rev. Jeremiah Wright just concluded. Here are my notes:
Moyers begins by ackowledging Jeremiah Wright is a controversial figure, and that "Willie Horton style ads" are being run. He then talks about his personal connection to Wright. Apparently, back when Moyers was LBJ's press secretary, Wright was in operating room when President Johnson had gall bladder surgery. There is a photo of both of them together in the operating room. Wright claims the secret service wrestled him to the ground after the surgery, even though he was constantly in the operating room the entire morning. He said LBJ had to be awake and talking at 9 AM before the stock market opened, so there wouldn't be chaos.
More after the flip:
Moyers then asks, "Who is Jeremiah Wright?" A member of the Fellowship of the United Church of Christ. He then says the program will center on "The man, his ministry and the church." In '72 Wright became pastor of Trinity with an 87 member congregation. By the mid 80's, there were several thousand in his flock. Wright was featured on an '87 episode of "Frontline." He was instrumental in starting up soup kitchens, and drug counseling. He also stressed good role models for black kids, saying "You can't be what you can't see."
In '88, he baptized Obama. He's going to retire after 36 years as pastor. He also served a total of 10 years in the Marines & Navy. The motto of his church is "Unashamedly Black, unapologetically Christian."
Moyers asked Wright if he's "racist."
Wright responds, "No." He says blacks respond to culture. "We don't have only sacred music. We don't have to only use pipe organ.... or use correct diction. We have our own music tradition... God has diversity."
Moyers asks, "What does the church service mean to Black Americans?"
Wright says, "Hope."
He then quotes Psalm 27. That there's a better way in this life, it's not in vain. The marginalized move from hurt to healing. There is a balm in Gilead....We serve a God who cares about the poor. God says I'm with you.... Courage in the struggle for justice and peace."
Moyers then tackles "Black liberation theology."
He asks if this theology "reads the Bible thru people who have suffered." Is that a fair bumper sticker?
Wright talks about how the world has a history of oppression: Greek oppression, Roman, etc. etc.
Cut to one of his sermons:
"When govt lies, God does not lie.
When govt changes, God does not change.
When govt fails, God does not fail."
Moyers: "You could be crucified for saying that."
Wright: "Most people forget after MLK was assisinated, when he preached against Vietnam war, he was ostresized. Many thought he overstepped bounds... shouldn't talk about the war. "That part of MLKing isn't lifted up on his birthday."
Moyers: Why don't people want to hear the "Full Monty?"
Wright: "We are miseducated as a people. People don't want to hear the truth, but only what they're taught." "Condemned" - God condemning practices against God's people. Psalm 137 - How can we sing song in a foreign land?"
Wright: On Sept. 11, I was in Newark, I saw the 2nd plane hit. Lost loved ones at WTC, and Pentagon. Move from revolt to revenge -- because you want to kill babies. God wants redemption and wholeness. Sunday following 9/11. What is God saying, when people want revenge?
"Ameicans chickens are coming home to roost. We took this country by terror from Apraho, Navajo to build our way of east. We bombed Granada and killed innocent babies. Killed in Panama. Bombed Kadafi, killed unarmed civilians in Iraq. We bombed Nagasaki, Hiroshima. We never batted an eye. And now we are indigent. It's brought back to our own front yards. Violence begs violgence. Hate begets hate. Terrorism begets terrorism."
Moyers: Did you have a failure of communication?
Wright: "What did they want to communicate?"
Moyers: How do people percieve you?
Wright: "As Unamerican, unpatriotic, filled with hate speech, that I have a cult and btw, guess who goes to his church? Hint hint hint."
Moyers: What can you tell me what happened at your church since controvery broke?
Wright: Our Church members are upset -- they know it's a lie. Press pick up our church bulletins
Calling sick and shut ins to get interviews...."
Moyers: Death threats?
Wright: Yes, and bomb threats at the church.
Moyers: Did you ever think you'd come to personify the black anger that whites fear?
Wright: No, it's very new and unsettling. ....Music is a part of our church. How do you give people hope? Through music tradition, ie, the blues. Antia Baker, Luther Vandross.
Moyers: What blues are you singing now?
Wright: "Don't nobody treat me so bad" I'm so glad trouble don't last always" And the story of Joseph in the Bible: "What man meant for evil, God meant for good."
Moyers: What does that mean?
Wright: Humans can do things under nefarious purposes, but God can turn that around. God can take sound bites and help nation comes to grips with miseducation...and things we don't like to talk about.
Moyers: Has Obama ever repeated your words?
Wright: No. I continued to be a pastor of God, concerned about the things of God
Moyers: Obama was a skeptic. You led him to the faith. And yet he had to say some hard things about you.
Wright: He's a politican, and I'm a pastor.... I do what I do, he does what politicians do. He didn't disown me, because I was a pastor.
Moyers: What about your abrasive edges?
Wright: Farrakhan was responsible for getting kids off dope.... turning their lives around. We don't believe the same things, but that has nothing to do with how he helps people. Like EF Hutton, when Farrakhan talks, people listen.
Noyers: Why do people continue to believe Obama is a muslim?
Wright: Fearmongering is why people think Obama is a muslim.
Moyers: United Church of Christ calls for a sacred conversation in race relations. How can we?
Wright: Use Bill Jones theology to see how we've come to see God through race. We have to start telling the truth in our schools.
Moyers ends thanking Wright for being on the program.
There you have it, folks. As best as I could transcribe. I'm sure the exact transcript will be online soon. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.
UPDATE: Full Transcript is here: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/transcript1.html|
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