not so sure about mccain anymore

not sure anymore

I was actually thinking about voting for mccain after hillary clinton lost the primary. Now with palin on board and the christain fundametalists all jazzed up, i am not sure anymore...
I always thought that mccain was his own man but it seems like it may not be the case.

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Welcome home! (none / 0)

Yeah, she will scare the democrat vote right back in yah!

Bush is faking it, this woman is REALLY the deal.

A Rapture Believing Creationist with her finger on the nuclear trigger!

Sounds like a Steven King story.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:32:04 PM EST

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YUP! YUP!  She sounds more like deputy dog than a pit bull.  You have to wonder if Gov Palin likes coming off mean and bitter.  I would have thought that old man McBush would have realized that his negativeness has been putting voters off.  But, hey if old man McBush wants to go down that road it will be good for us.


by Spanky on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:33:19 PM EST
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Um... (none / 0)

...Welcome aboard, I guess!

But don't let the popular press fool you.  John McCain has been polishing his conservative credentials for years, ever since Bush destroyed him in 2000.  He doesn't need Palin to be scary.

I listened to a very interesting story on NPR about changes McCain personally pushed for in the Republican party platform--this year's is without exaggeration the most conservative platform the Republican party has ever published.


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by BishopRook on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:36:26 PM EST

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McCain was always a hardcore social conservative. The only places he takes a liberal stance are on things like energy, stem cells, etc. And even then, I think it's only because it's the sort of thing his lobbyist friends represent. Just another chance to prop up companies, not a belief.


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by vcalzone on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:41:12 PM EST
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Congrats and all, but (none / 0)

55 words is hardly a diary, more of a comment.

And seriously how can one go from center-left Clinton to Middle-right McCain?

(that IS NOT a Clinton slam btw, I consider bother and Obama center-left. The country, as idiotic as it is would not vote in a middle left/left candidate unless we are led down that path for a few administrations)


by notedgeways on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:07:31 PM EST

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McCain the maverick who is his own man is largely a myth.  After the Keating Five, which was a serious setback for his career branding, even though he wasn't charged with the others, he set out to do a supposedly major rebranding.  He was a conservative hawk then and he still is.  

He only has a couple of issues where he challenged his party, and even on those he has caved in order to get elected.  It is primarily about whatever branding will work in the moment.  His speech last night was schizy, because he was trying to have two brands at once.

He wanted Ridge or Lieberman as his VP, but the money/power structure of his party wouldn't let him. Ironic that he is trying to juggle that into a story of being maverick.  He didn't make his own decision about this and in fact couldn't.  The money would have dried up.

Neither is Palin a maverick.  She isn't of Washington, but she is perfectly schooled in the Tom Delay version of the hardball -- outside consideration of law and ethics -- Republican playbook.  The Tom Delay version is similar too, but not as clever as the Newt Gingrich version.  She is currently being schooled in the Karl Rove version, which is hot and cold as to whether it is clever or clumsy.

In any event, don't believe spin coming out of these people.  The research to debunk is all out there, both in print and in videos of McCain demonstrating his cynicism via his own mouth.


by ktmseattle on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:06:28 PM EST

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Everything you need to know about Sarah Palin in a nutshell:

Her Vice Presidential announcement thrilled and energized the religious right and had garnered John McCain 10 million dollars in new donations in a 24 hour period.

Three days later, Sarah McCain nullified these gains by angering and hyper-energizing their opposition, bringing in 10 million dollars in new donations for Barack Obama.

Now that's George Bush levels of polarization folks.  And that's not even touching questions about her readiness or ethical issues in her home state.

I don't blame you one bit for not being sure about John McCain.


by hello world on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:17:53 PM EST

mccain (none / 0)

is a puppet. palin is a clone of a bush puppet.


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by kevin22262 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:26:28 PM EST

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I heard that there is a 33 percent chance of him dying within eight years.  It's really the older people who think he's going to have a tough time staying focused.  But I think he might be better unfocused. Didn't he say that the VP job is to wait for the president to die?  

But, doesn't matter, it is the issues. and with or without Sarah, John won't get us out of Iraq, won't get us universal health care, won't change the tax code to help rebuild the middle class, won't invest in green energy and won't locate those businesses in disadvantaged communities, won't make universal pre-school a priority and whether or not reproductive rights stay legal, he won't make women's ability to make that choice a priority. We'll still be getting 'laws' that scare doctors and there still will be reduced or no services available in some states.  

Hillary is right, it's about the ideas, and this other stuff is just a distraction. That does not removes from Barack the job of winning her supporters.  He's our candidate and he's obligated to do his very best to win, and however he may feel personally about HIllary and Bill it's time for him to admit Bill's no racist and to remind voters of the gains we made when Bill was president, and it's time for him to admire Hillary's intelligence and acumen and consult with her on how to win her supporters and how to debate John.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:31:41 PM EST

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That does not removes from Barack the job of winning her supporters.  He's our candidate and he's obligated to do his very best to win, and however he may feel personally about HIllary and Bill it's time for him to admit Bill's no racist and to remind voters of the gains we made when Bill was president, and it's time for him to admire Hillary's intelligence and acumen and consult with her on how to win her supporters and how to debate John.

Anna, that is exactly what Obama did, several times, during the course of the convention.  From his acceptance speech:

Let me express my thanks to the historic slate of candidates who accompanied me on this journey, and especially the one who traveled the farthest - a champion for working Americans and an inspiration to my daughters and to yours -- Hillary Rodham Clinton. To President Clinton, who last night made the case for change as only he can make it ...

We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President - when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.

And if getting them both to speak at the convention isn't consulting their acumen, I'm not sure what is.

As for the last bit, neither Barack Obama nor his campaign ever accused Bill or Hillary Clinton of being racists.  Donna Brazille and Jesse Jackson, Jr., did on a couple occasions accuse them of playing the race card--not being racists, but appealing to racists.  But Bill Clinton himself accused Obama of the same thing in those exact words.

Tempers get hot in close campaigns, but Obama and the Clintons have moved on.  It's time for all of us to do the same.


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by BishopRook on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 01:36:57 PM EST
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I know what you mean - I've gone from being a loyal democrat and personally psyched about Barack Obama, BUT thinking that bad as a McCain presidency would be, it would be endurable....

to....

being horrified at the thought.  Terrified.  No way such a mean-spirited, small-minded bully like that should have that kind of power.  And what would it say about the country if they won?


by Jordache on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 12:05:53 AM EST


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